Northern Crofter
Puritan Board Sophomore
Some will counter, no doubt, by saying that this is part of the previous dispensation.God requires of us the firstfruits
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Some will counter, no doubt, by saying that this is part of the previous dispensation.God requires of us the firstfruits
For what it's worth, the lower 50% of people in the US do not have a federal income tax liability in the American graduated income tax system. For example, 61% of all taxpayers in the US paid no federal income taxes in 2020. 57.1 percent of households paid no individual income tax in 2021. https://www.statista.com/statistics...holds-that-pay-no-income-tax-by-income-level/the lower 50% of America
That is true, but the OP has already established the presumed verity of the tithing principle, but I fear this thread may become a debate as to whether or not the 10% principle is biblical in the New Covenant.Some will counter, no doubt, by saying that this is part of the previous dispensation.
For what it's worth, the lower 50% of people in the US do not have a federal income tax liability in the American graduated income tax system. For example, 61% of all taxpayers in the US paid no federal income taxes in 2020. 57.1 percent of households paid no individual income tax in 2021. https://www.statista.com/statistics...holds-that-pay-no-income-tax-by-income-level/
Agreed, maybe I should have provided more clarity. In such a situation, it is not possible for God to get more (quantitatively) – moreso what I was desiring to convey was that we ought not offer to the Lord 10% after the magistrate has had his portion, but before. If one cannot give more quantitatively, (which I'm not saying is a requirement) certainly we can give more qualitatively.Say the gubment decides to raise the taxes to north of 50%. What’s one to do? What if one is in the lower 50% of America financially and is a net gainer from our semi-socialist economy. What about retirement contributions? None of this is to wholly obliterate the 10% as a starting point, but just to show that things often get messy in practice.
Jerrod,I'm not sure how that logically follows. What I am saying is one ought to tithe from their gross and not their net, because God requires of us the firstfruits, and he deserves the best portion regardless of what the magistrate gets. Obviously, my position presumes the equity/continuity of the 10% principle, which you can give generously out of thankfulness.
I'm saying that God deserves the best portion, which I addressed in the post above, qualitatively should be prior to the magistrate requiring his portion.Jerrod,
Are you conflating the firstfruits with the tithe? They don't seem to be the same in the OT. Also, are we obligated by the law of First Dough (Num. 15:18-21)? What about temple tax? The tithe is merely one small component in a far larger giving structure in the OT.
Well if it is agreed that the 10% tithe principle is not biblical in the new covenant then the discussion of gross vs net is redundant.That is true, but the OP has already established the presumed verity of the tithing principle, but I fear this thread may become a debate as to whether or not the 10% principle is biblical in the New Covenant.
First, that depends on your understanding of the tithe in the "Old Testament" and whether or not it continues as a moral obligation.So I'm curious is it unethical to tithe to the ministry that you are responsible for? For example, could a student pastor tithe to his student ministry?
Maybe I should be a little more clear. Our church has the ability in our online giving system to designate where in the church you want your tithe to go to. For example, I'm giving money that I want to go to the mission budget, I can specify that. My question is as a Youth Pastor would it be wrong to tithe part or all of my offering directly to student ministry?I'm not sure what you mean by "the ministry that you are responsible for"