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How do we define trinitarian and christological errors as heresy? As damnable? Those who hold them as wolves? As being outside the faith? Are the boundaries strictly theological or also ones of attitude, context, consistency and soteriological implication? How harshly do we define the following errors, and how far back do we say (when we do) that the churches holding them ceased to be true churches?
- Nestorianism
- Non-chalcedonian Christology
- Rejection of the Fillioque clause
- The Lutheran view on the communication of attributes (ubiquity)
- Modern Evangelicals who are simply confused
 
How do we define trinitarian and christological errors as heresy? As damnable? Those who hold them as wolves? As being outside the faith? Are the boundaries strictly theological or also ones of attitude, context, consistency and soteriological implication? How harshly do we define the following errors, and how far back do we say (when we do) that the churches holding them ceased to be true churches?
- Nestorianism
- Non-chalcedonian Christology
- Rejection of the Fillioque clause
- The Lutheran view on the communication of attributes (ubiquity)
- Modern Evangelicals who are simply confused
I think, for whatever reason, you're unintentionally mixing "known and catholic" condemned teachings (Nestorianism and Non-chacedonian) with others that are merely confessional differences (Lutheran and Evangelical errors).
I think the former, if they're churches, ceased being true churches but the later not so much. The Filloque clause being right down the middle, literally dividing East and West.
So maybe picking one type of "dividing doctrine" would be helpful, instead of three types (which I think confuses decision).
 
I think, for whatever reason, you're unintentionally mixing "known and catholic" condemned teachings (Nestorianism and Non-chacedonian) with others that are merely confessional differences (Lutheran and Evangelical errors).
I think the former, if they're churches, ceased being true churches but the later not so much. The Filloque clause being right down the middle, literally dividing East and West.
So maybe picking one type of "dividing doctrine" would be helpful, instead of three types (which I think confuses decision).
But the whole question is how we determine those types - is the fillioque up there with nestorianism, or down with ubiquity? Just how bad are the miaphysite views - do those like Gavin Ortlund that still see them as true churches in the 15th century go too far? (he does go to far with ecumenism, my question is if this is an example of this). How important is the extra "calvinisticum" contra ubiquity?

Is this clearer?


Turretin said that rejecting the Filioque was an error but not a heresy.
Could you either explain his reasoning, or at least point to where he said it?
 
I think aseity of Son issues (aseity in essence or person?) and how it was the Son who came and not the Father (pactum salutis? ad intra to extra?) are not essential albeit important.
 
The first four ecumenical councils provide the borderlines of heresy. A heretic is one who has a studied denial of the truth. Not someone who is confused, or inarticulate, or assents but doesn't really grasp the truths. For example, it seems debatable whether Eutyches himself was actually Eutychian, or just inarticulate. A heretic is one who knows exactly what the words mean but clearly denies them.
 
The first four ecumenical councils provide the borderlines of heresy.

Is that your definition of the word or an observation?
If it is your definition of the word - are all heresies damnable, are all damnable doctrines heretical? How do we relate to people and institutions that hold various levels of trinitarian and christological error?
If it is an observation, what is the basis for these definitions? How do we relate to heretics and how to non-heretics?
 
Van Mastricht:
4. Is the dogma of the Trinity necessary to believe? The difference of opinions

XX. It is asked, fourth, whether the dogma of the Trinity, for the Christian church, indeed for each of its members, is necessary to believe. The anti-Trinitarians, because they deny its truth, are compelled to disown its necessity, and indeed its utility. The Remonstrant Apologists, although they dare not openly deny its truth, lest they seem to have crossed publicly into the camp of the Socinians, nevertheless undermine it evidently enough through their devices, and nevertheless openly deny its necessity. They do this so that they might be able to admit Socinians into the communion of their churches.

The opinion of the Reformed is proved.

The Reformed, although they do not state that a distinct knowledge of it, by which you clearly perceive its nature, is necessary for salvation, nevertheless judge that a knowledge of the fact of it,32 which is most clearly taught in the Scriptures, is altogether necessary, or at least that those who entirely deny it cannot be saved. And they do so because: (1) Scripture expressly teaches that in this is eternal life, that we know that the Father is “the one true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he has sent,” namely, that he also is the one true God.33 (2) Nor does anyone acknowledge the Father who does not acknowledge the Son (1 John 2:23). (3) Nor does anyone honor the Father who does not honor the Son (John 5:23). (4) No one can either seek or find salvation by the love of the Father, and by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the communion of the Holy Spirit, who has not acknowledged the Trinity (2 Cor. 13:14). (5) No one can be admitted into the communion of the Christian church who has not professed his faith in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). (6) No one can pursue his own salvation in the satisfaction of Christ who does not receive Christ’s deity, inasmuch as that satisfaction cannot stand apart from his deity (1 Tim. 2:5). (7) No one can believe the majority of the mysteries of the Christian religion who does not acknowledge the Trinity, inasmuch as they are built upon this mystery.

Objections

In vain will they object to these things: (1) that believers of the Old Testament were saved without belief in the Trinity. I respond: (a) This must be proved by our adversaries. (b) The testimonies of the Old Testament that we stated in §III solidly refute this. And (c) if they had not acknowledged the Trinity, they would have neither acknowledged nor worshiped the true God, and accordingly would have been idolaters—indeed, atheists. For whoever does not acknowledge and does not worship that one who is truly God is an atheist. (2) That the article of the Trinity does not have any use for the practice of piety. I respond: (a) If it were granted—though it is not conceded—that it does not have its own particular use, nevertheless it is the basis and foundation of all Christian practice, without which no practice, or at least no Christian practice, can stand. And then (b) that it also has its own particular use was already taught in the dogmatic sections on the economy of the Trinity,34 and the practical part of this chapter will amply teach the same. (3) That the majority do not understand this mystery, but they should not therefore immediately be excluded from a participation in salvation. I respond, Although they may not understand its nature, how God is one in essence and three in persons, yet they can understand from the most clear revelation of Scripture its truth, that God is so.
 
How do we define trinitarian and christological errors as heresy?

Good day Efraim,

As to the definition of heresy, here is G. Gillespie:

Heresy is a gross and dangerous error, voluntarily held and factiously maintained by some person or persons within the visible church, in opposition to some chief or substantial truth or truths grounded upon and drawn from the holy Scripture by necessary consequence.

As to how to regard persons or churches that maintain Christological or Trinitarian errors and heresies, will vary depending on the nature of the error itself, the manner in which the error is had, and more. For example, here is S. Rutherford making distinctions concerning the topic of fundamental doctrines and errors:

many believe fundamental errors who are ignorant of them and do think that they firmly adhere to Christian religion; Occam termeth such, haereticos nescientes, ignorant hereticks, as the Marcionites and the Manicheans, and these the Church should tolerate while they be instructed.
 
Good day Efraim,

As to the definition of heresy, here is G. Gillespie:



As to how to regard persons or churches that maintain Christological or Trinitarian errors and heresies, will vary depending on the nature of the error itself, the manner in which the error is had, and more. For example, here is S. Rutherford making distinctions concerning the topic of fundamental doctrines and errors:
What are then the different species of errors? What are the distinctions that dictate the varying responses? Assuming it is held and defended by educated, ordained members of the visible church (or perhaps even formally by some part of the visible church), where do miaphysitism and fillioque denial fit and why? Why would this criteria not apply to Lutherans and why would it apply to nestorians and Arians?
 
I bet you could ask many believers about the succession of the Spirit from the Father and (or) the Son and you'd get a garbled response, especially when the creeds are not a part of their lives. That doesn't mean the person denies the Trinity and is a heretic, he's just confused.

I also want to stress that a charge of heresy is a matter for the courts of the church. We should certainly know sound doctrine, and should be able to discern and correct (women should do so in limited contexts) but that's the extent of it. Pray for our sessions as they talk with people coming into membership or our denominations as they consider fraternal relationships: may God protect his bride from wolves.
 
I also want to stress that a charge of heresy is a matter for the courts of the church. We should certainly know sound doctrine, and should be able to discern and correct (women should do so in limited contexts) but that's the extent of it. Pray for our sessions as they talk with people coming into membership or our denominations as they consider fraternal relationships: may God protect his bride from wolves.
Sure, but that really sidesteps the question. My question is still relevant. Did the Eastern Church apostatize during the great schism or can we expect to find pockets of grace there into the middle ages? Was Luther right in accepting an Ethiopian munk, presumably a miaphysite, as a brother in Christ? How bad is ubiquity, and how do we justify seeing Lutherans as brothers? How do we justify condemning miaphysitism or nestorianism as heresies, if a Copt or Church of the East guy asks us?
 
Is that your definition of the word or an observation?
If it is your definition of the word - are all heresies damnable, are all damnable doctrines heretical? How do we relate to people and institutions that hold various levels of trinitarian and christological error?
That is the definition of Christological/Trinitarian heresy, yes. Titus 3:10–11 indicates that the heretic is (self) condemned.
Heresy is not the same as error. For example, Lutheran views of the Lord's Supper are errors in regards to the humanity of Christ. But Lutherans affirm Chalcedonian Christology. They are inconsistent. Denying the filioque is an error but not a heresy (it was formalized at the Council of Toledo).

So, basically, just take the belief and run it through the grid of the first four Councils. Does your interlocutor affirm the truths in those creeds/definitions?

"How do we relate" is a very generic question. Interpersonally, ecclesiastically, within our own church?
 
That is the definition of Christological/Trinitarian heresy, yes. Titus 3:10–11 indicates that the heretic is (self) condemned.
Heresy is not the same as error. For example, Lutheran views of the Lord's Supper are errors in regards to the humanity of Christ. But Lutherans affirm Chalcedonian Christology. They are inconsistent. Denying the filioque is an error but not a heresy (it was formalized at the Council of Toledo).

So, basically, just take the belief and run it through the grid of the first four Councils. Does your interlocutor affirm the truths in those creeds/definitions?
So what are the implications of heresy? Damnation? Ecclesiastical separation? Political persecution? Merely being called a heretic?
Also, do we really think Paul and Titus had "someone who denies the doctrines of four yet-to-be councils" when Paul wrote "one who stirs up division"?

"How do we relate" is a very generic question. Interpersonally, ecclesiastically, within our own church?
All three, actually.
 
Did the Eastern Church apostatize during the great schism or can we expect to find pockets of grace there into the middle ages?

No, for then we would have to say that all of the fathers beforehand who held to ex patre mono were heretics, and that is a high price to pay. Failure on the Filioque does threaten the unity of salvation, but it does not threaten the full deity of the persons or the unity of the essence. If someone says otherwise, then he needs to make a case and it isn't easy.

Miaphysitism is a bit trickier. Crude Eutychianism is obviously out of bonds, but when you read Severus of Antioch, you don't see him saying what Eutyches said.
 
Failure on the Filioque does threaten the unity of salvation
What does this mean?

Miaphysitism is a bit trickier. Crude Eutychianism is obviously out of bonds, but when you read Severus of Antioch, you don't see him saying what Eutyches said.
Where can I read about this distinction? I didn't know there were such distinctions
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all of the fathers beforehand who held to ex patre mono
does this mean they held that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone or am I misunderstanding?
Also which fathers are we talking about? Any names I may know?
 
What are then the different species of errors? What are the distinctions that dictate the varying responses? Assuming it is held and defended by educated, ordained members of the visible church (or perhaps even formally by some part of the visible church), where do miaphysitism and fillioque denial fit and why? Why would this criteria not apply to Lutherans and why would it apply to nestorians and Arians?
Here is more from Rutherford that may be of some help in answering some of your proposed questions:

I say it is one thing

1. to believe fundamental errors,
2. another to profess them, and
3. another to obtrude them by force on the consciences of others.

Many believe fundamental errors who do not know that they believe such, but think they firmly adhere to the Christian religion . . . not because they think the false to be true (no one can believe this, because assent as such is a natural act), but because they embrace as true that which is false. I know it is asserted by the Scholastics that the denial of one fundamental article is the denial of all . . . And certainly one who spurns the dominion of authority which God holds over the created intellect in one thing spurns it in all. But there is a twofold contempt here:

(i) one sometimes only virtual, as when the disciples denied the resurrection of the Lord, John 20:9, for as yet they did not know the Scriptures, that he must rise from the dead (yet they believed him to be the Son of God, Matt. 16:16-17); the seed and habit of faith lay hidden in them, but the act of faith was interrupted in this article from the inevidence of the terms, and the force of temptations. And thus the denial of one fundamental article is not the denial of all; for thus one act of unbelief would make a faithful man an apostate, which is not to be said.

(ii) The other is formal contempt, when someone opposes a fundamental article because he is touched by no authority of God speaking; and thus one who denies one fundamental article denies all.

But from there it is clear enough that many pious people doubt this or that fundamental article, who yet do not err in fundamentals. Hence the Lutherans do not cease to be a true Church, although their errors are such as in some way subvert the foundation. Nor do the Arminians cease to be a Church, when they retain the foundation. But as Arminianism has now prevailed under Vorstinianism, and as it is set forth in the Apology, and especially as it is defended by Curcellaeus and by others, it is a most serious heresy, and destroys the foundation, since they have now mixed themselves with the Arians, Socinians, Jesuits, Anti-trinitarians.

To profess a fundamental error is more serious than to hold it; to propound and defend it is still more serious. But to obtrude it on the consciences of others by tyrannical force is by far the most serious. The Church ought to tolerate those erring or doubting about fundamentals, until they are instructed, 2 Tim. 224-26. 2. It ought to restrain those professing fundamental errors. 3. Teachers and seducers of others ought to be ejected from the Church.

Concerning the Greek's denying the filioque, I find Edward Leigh's comment helpful:

To deny the procession of the holy Ghost from the Son, is a grievous error in Divinity, and would have grated the foundation, if the Greek Church had so denied the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Son, as that they had made an inequality between the Persons. But since their form of speech is, that the Holy Ghost proceedeth from the Father by the Son, and is the Spirit of the Son, without making any difference in the consubstantiality of the Persons, it is a true though an erroneous Church in this particular[.]
 
What does this mean?
It disconnects the Spirit from the economy of the Son.
Where can I read about this distinction? I didn't know there were such distinctions

On a popular level, Philip Jenkins's The Jesus Wars. On a more academic level, Pauline Allen's Severus of Antioch. Here are my notes on it.

Key point: in Christ after the union there is difference but not duality.

Severus is operating with the older Athanasian view that physis = hypostasis, existent reality. Because there cannot be “two existent Jesuses,” there can only be one hypostasis in Jesus. His opponents, by contrast, are working with a newer, post-Basil the Great, understanding of hypostasis and ousia.
does this mean they held that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone or am I misunderstanding?

Many of them did. Remember, Rome added Filioque to the Creed. For centuries everyone confessed from the Father alone. As to which fathers, you can find them, even Augustine at times, say Father alone. Sometimes they would say from the Father through the Son. The prepositions were fludi.
 
But the whole question is how we determine those types - is the fillioque up there with nestorianism, or down with ubiquity? Just how bad are the miaphysite views - do those like Gavin Ortlund that still see them as true churches in the 15th century go too far? (he does go to far with ecumenism, my question is if this is an example of this). How important is the extra "calvinisticum" contra ubiquity?

Is this clearer?



Could you either explain his reasoning, or at least point to where he said it?
Oh ok, sorry I get it now. The first two because they divide Christian from non-Christian are that serious. The Filloque is serious enough to divide Christianity roughly in half. The second to last divides Reformation confessional traditions. The last one divides confessional from non-confessional traditions.
I know it seems like I'm being a smart aleck but I'm not. History is the only way to determine how serious the issues are. The first two are of such a serious nature to divide as I said and so on and so forth. The level of division and types of people being divided tell us how serious the doctrine is.
Personally I've never studied the Filloque issue in detail but I maintain that it's serious enough to divide Christianity the way it did, so it must be serious.
 
What are then the different species of errors? What are the distinctions that dictate the varying responses? Assuming it is held and defended by educated, ordained members of the visible church (or perhaps even formally by some part of the visible church), where do miaphysitism and fillioque denial fit and why? Why would this criteria not apply to Lutherans and why would it apply to nestorians and Arians?
I think you're going for a subjective standard and then wanting to move to an objective standard. My answer leaves out the subjective and only looks at the objective ecclesiastical divisions.
My denomination has closer ties to NAPARC churches because we are much closer confessionally than say a Reformed Baptist denomination, less in common but both Reformed and Christian.
Generic evangelicals is hit or miss because that's the nature of the beast. Book publishers are good for this question because of what they will publish.
Any person who publishes with P and R publishing, for the most part, is a confessional Presbyterian and Reformed person. Crossway publishing is more generic Reformed and the other ones less and less.
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Sure, but that really sidesteps the question. My question is still relevant. Did the Eastern Church apostatize during the great schism or can we expect to find pockets of grace there into the middle ages? Was Luther right in accepting an Ethiopian munk, presumably a miaphysite, as a brother in Christ? How bad is ubiquity, and how do we justify seeing Lutherans as brothers? How do we justify condemning miaphysitism or nestorianism as heresies, if a Copt or Church of the East guy asks us?
I'll try this a third way. If you think that a Lutheran's doctrinal problem is the same as a miaphysite than you're treating both errors the same but history has divided what the level and kind of division is appropriate for the doctrine.
 
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It took me a little bit to remember where I had read a discussion about this topic.

This is from Muller's PRRD1:
9.2 Fundamental Articles and Errors

A. Premisses of the Discussion: Foundational Truths and their Opposites

1. Genuine belief and real error—objectively and subjectively considered.
In view of these biblical distinctions, some conclusions can be drawn concerning various kinds of foundations or fundamentals in theology. First, there is the underlying foundation, identical with the obiectum fidei, the object of faith or, in a formal sense, with the obiectum theologiae, the object of theology.5<a href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title="">2</a> The obiectum fidei, viewed in a general or equivalent (aedequatum) sense is the Verbum Dei, the written Word of God; viewed in a special and proper sense (speciale et proprium), it is the doctrine concerning Christ (doctrina Christi) together with the principal truths and promises of God (capitibus et promissionibus Dei). We distinguish between the written Word in its entirety and its saving contents—just as in the doctrine of Scripture a distinction is made between the text of Scripture quoad verba, according to its words, and quoad res, according to the things or materials represented by the words.5<a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title="">3</a> Generally and in terms of the equivalence between the ordained means of revelation and its substance, Scripture is the fundamentum and obiectum fidei, but it is foundational in such a way that it directs us to Christ and to the promises of God as the special and proper foundation and object of faith. Fundamental articles of faith, therefore, are drawn directly from Scripture and teach of salvation in Christ.

As Voetius points out, these fundamental articles and corresponding errors can be understood from several points of view. It is one thing to discern an article or error at an objective level, a truth or error as such (in se), quite another to identify and define faith and error subjectively as they arise out of the disposition (habitus) or condition (status) of believing or disbelieving, and yet another to grasp the patterns, manner, and degrees of judgment or tolerance, moderation, reception, or reconciliation possible in cases of belief and error.5<a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" title="">4</a> In the first category, some distinction must be made between issues objectively necessary to the being of the church and those necessary to the well-being or salvation of believers, those concerning ritual or polity and those concerning rules or dogmas in the strict sense of the terms, those concerning doctrinal explanations and those concerning beliefs simply necessary in and of themselves, those related to Scripture generally and those concerning the stability of the basic biblical faith. In the second category, the subjective, errors of ignorance must be distinguished from errors arising from opposition to truth, the internal or mental error from the external error in formal assent and profession. Here too the condition or state of believers and church must be considered: the human condition before the fall is different from the condition after it, the human condition under Old Testament different from that under the New and, as the example of doubting Thomas indicates, the human condition can also be different before the resurrection and after. Different requirements arise from different states and conditions.5<a href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4" title="">5</a>

In the third category, distinction is made concerning patterns, manner, and degrees of judgment and tolerance—so that a difference must be recognized between the rules and judgment of particular churches and the general assent of the church universal, visible, and invisible. Moderation and some degree of tolerance is required in the first case, while firm judgment is necessary in the latter inasmuch as those who deny universal truths of the church are excluded from heavenly blessedness. Thus it is one thing to tolerate minor corruptions and infirmities with a longsuffering love and quite another to attempt reconciliation with pernicious heresies!5<a href="#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5" title="">6</a>

Three further distinctions can be made concerning the articles or dogmas of the faith (dogmata fidei): they can be defined either as primary and immediate, or as secondary and mediate; as explicit and formal, or implict and virtual; and as positive or negative.5<a href="#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6" title="">7</a> The first of these distinctions refers to the difference between those doctrines which arise immediately from the reading of Scripture (e.g., the doctrines of the Trinity, of Christ as mediator, or of justification) and are primary to the Christian faith and those doctrines which arise by logical derivation as hypotheses or conclusions and which are mediate or secondary to the faith (e.g., the relationship of the two natures in Christ, the communicatio idiomatum). This distinction follows the pattern of the Lutheran scholastic differentiation of constituent articles (articuli constituentes) from consequent articles (articuli consequentes) or, in the language of the “Lutherani rigidiores,” as Turretin calls them, the “stricter Lutherans” like Calovius and Quenstedt, primary fundamental articles (articuli fundamentales primarii) and secondary fundamental articles (articuli fundamentales secundarii). The question, of course, is the extent to which secondary or logically derived articles can be considered fundamental.5<a href="#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7" title="">8</a>

This question is answered in part by a second distinction, the distinction between the explicit or formal and the implicit or virtual articles. When a doctrine of faith is present in Scripture as an explicit and formal statement it is, of course, necessary. This necessary, foundational character extends, in addition, to those doctrines implied directly by the text and, therefore, virtually present. The implicit or virtually present doctrine, moreover, attains a fundamental or normative status when its formulation becomes an issue of debate between orthodox and heterodox Christians, and, in addition, the heterodox formulation leads to an erroneous and soteriologically dangerous understanding of the explicit and formal or primary and immediate doctrines. This argument can be extended to cover doctrines developed as logical conclusions from primary dogmas. Of course, a question arises here concerning the way in which logic, particularly syllogistic logic, can be applied to revealed doctrine and which logical conclusions are in fact essentially biblical and therefore fundamental in a secondary or derived sense.5<a href="#_ftn8" name="_ftnref8" title="">9</a>

The third distinction concerning the nature of fundamentals distinguishes between positive and negative articles and may be regarded as an extension of the previous two categories of doctrine. Positive articles include the doctrines previously noted as primary, consisting principally of affirmative statements of saving truth, such as “Christ is the Son of God” or “the death of Christ was the ransom paid for our sins.” Negative articles describe errors both of primary statement and of logical conclusion. Moreover, they specifically consist of falsehoods rejected by orthodox Christians—such as the doctrines of the mass and purgatory. These negative articles identify errors of two sorts, direct or immediate errors and indirect or secondary errors resulting from the application of incorrect logic in doctrinal matters. Blatant heresies fall into the category of direct or immediate error: they subvert primary, immediate fundamentals by overt, explicit contrary statement. Indirect or secondary error, however, is an indirect subversion of truth. For example, the popish doctrines of the merit of works and of temporal satisfaction through penance do not immediately subvert the doctrine of Christ’s satisfaction, but rather do so indirectly, by way of extension. So-called negative articles of faith controvert both sorts of error.6<a href="#_ftn9" name="_ftnref9" title="">0</a>

This identification of fundamental articles and their distinction both from the principia and nonfundamental or consequent articles serves also to identify and distinguish the various kinds of errorist against whom polemic is to be directed. Those who deny the principia theologiae are either classed as infidels or unbelievers. Those who accept the principia but who err in fundamental articles are heretics. Those who accept both principia and articuli fundamentales but who separate themselves from the faithful over minor doctrinal issues are schismatics.6<a href="#_ftn10" name="_ftnref10" title="">1</a>

2. In debate with Rome: the fundamentals, the fathers, and catholicity. The Reformed identification and limitation of fundamental articles was also defined in conflict with the Roman Church over the question of the use of the church fathers as a norm of doctrine. From the Roman side, it could be argued that Protestants improperly distinguished between fundamental articles necessary to salvation and nonfundamental articles that were unnecessary—the correct distinction was between the fundamental articles that need to be known and believed by any and all for salvation and the nonfundamental articles that, in themselves, are not necessary to salvation and need to be known and believed only when proposed or debated, with the result that “sinfull denial” of any doctrinal point “sufficiently proved” by the church is destructive of saving faith and results in damnation.6<a href="#_ftn11" name="_ftnref11" title="">2</a> From the Roman perspective, one such “nonfundamental” article is the belief that there must always be a visible church on earth, identified in the succession of its bishops and in the administration of its sacraments, outside of which there can be no salvation. But this doctrine concerns the “essence and unity of true faith and Church.” When one denies this belief, which was understood by the tradition, one destroys saving faith.6<a href="#_ftn12" name="_ftnref12" title="">3</a>

In his preface to his treatise on “the use of the fathers in the decision of controversies,” Daillé argued the point that the debate between “the Church of Rome and the Protestants” was, at heart, a debate over “necessary articles” and “fundamentals of religion.” The Protestant churches, he argued, accepted as fundamental articles of belief those teachings that are “both clearly delivered in the Scriptures, and expressly admitted by the ancient councils and the Fathers; and … indeed unanimously received by the greatest part of Christians in all ages, and in different parts of the world.”6<a href="#_ftn13" name="_ftnref13" title="">4</a> Daillé’s argument in large part parallels that of Calvin in his response to Sadleto—perhaps because both writers assumed that the Protestant churches fully respect the standard of catholicity enunciated by the fifth century teacher, Vincent of Lerins, namely, what has been believed “everywhere, always, and by all.”6<a href="#_ftn14" name="_ftnref14" title="">5</a> Daillé notes the basic articles: that there is one supreme God who is the creator of all things; that he created human beings according to his image; that human beings revolted against the divine demand of righteous obedience and fell into sin; that redemption from sin is accomplished in Jesus Christ who is the eternal Son of God the Father, incarnate of the virgin Mary; that Christ made satisfaction for sin on the cross; that Christ ascended in to heaven and will ultimately return as the judge of all mankind; that Christ sent the Spirit, who proceeds from both the Father and the Son, for the sake of salvation; and that these three persons, Father, Son, and Spirit, are one God; that the Apostles preached this doctrine throughout the world, planted churches, and conveyed to the churches two sacraments—baptism, “the sacrament of our regeneration,” and the Lord’s Supper, “the sacrament of our communion with Christ; that Christians are obliged to love God and neighbor and to accept as true the teachings of the Old and New Testaments. Daillé concludes that these are the articles that Protestants accept as true and fundamental and that “if all other Christians would but content themselves with these, there would never be any schism in the Church.”6<a href="#_ftn15" name="_ftnref15" title="">6</a>

Not content with these fundamental truths, the “adversaries,” namely, the Pope and the teachers of the Roman Church, adds a series of doctrinal claims as necessary doctrines, without the acceptance of which “there is no possible hope of salvation.” Daillé enumerates: “that the Pope of Rome is the head and supreme monarch of the whole Christian Church throughout the world,” “that he, or at least the church which he acknowledges a true one, cannot possibly err in matters of faith,” “that the sacrament of the Eucharist is to be adored, as being really Jesus Christ, not a piece of bread,” “that the mass is a sacrifice, that really expiates the sins of the faithful,” “that our souls after death, before they enter into heaven, are to pass through a certain fire, and there endure grievous torments; thus making atonement for their sins,” “that none but the priest himself that consecrated the Eucharist is bound by right to receive it in both kinds.”6<a href="#_ftn16" name="_ftnref16" title="">7</a> Such doctrines are identified as fundamental by the Roman Church, despite the inability to draw them from Scripture, as necessary for salvation and as believed throughout the whole course of Christianity; but even here, Daillé notes, the Roman Church errs, inasmuch as these are hardly the universal teachings of the fathers, inasmuch as the fathers themselves often failed to agree on such questions, and inasmuch as the fathers, in any case, are not the final authority in doctrinal matters.6<a href="#_ftn17" name="_ftnref17" title="">8</a>

3. The varieties of fundamental error. The Reformed orthodox generally also note, in connection with the idea of fundamental articles, three kinds of doctrinal error: (1) errors directly against a fundamental article (contra fundamentum); (2) errors around a fundamental or in indirect contradiction to it (circa fundamentum); (3) errors beyond a fundamental article (praeter fundamentum). The first kind of error is a direct attack—such as those launched by the Socinians—against the divinity of Christ or the Trinity. The second is not a direct negation or an antithesis but rather an indirect or secondary error ultimately subversive of a fundamental—such as a belief in God that refuses to acknowledge his providence. The third category of error does not address fundamental articles directly or indirectly but rather involves faith in problematic and curious questions (quaestiones problematicas et curiosas) that do not arise out of the revealed Word—hay and stubble!—and that, because of their curiosity and vanity, constitute diversions from and impediments to salvation.6<a href="#_ftn18" name="_ftnref18" title="">9</a>

This sense of several kinds or levels of error manifests itself in Stapfer’s massive Institutiones theologiae polemicae. Stapfer’s system, as its subtitle indicates, adopts a scientific arrangement by moving from those adversaries who deny the principia of Christianity (the infidels and unbelievers called Atheists, Deists, Epicureans, Pagans, and Naturalists), to those who accept either of the principia (Jews, Moslems, Socinians, and Latitudinarians or Indifferentists), to those who accept both principia but attack fundamental articles (Papists, Fanatics, Pelagians, Remonstrants, and Anabaptists), to those, finally, who agree on fundamentals but who differ on nonfundamental articles (the Greek Orthodox and the Lutherans). Stapfer feels close enough to the Lutherans to devote a separate chapter to “the consent and dissent of Protestants.”7<a href="#_ftn19" name="_ftnref19" title="">0</a> The latter two groups, the Greek Orthodox and the Lutherans, are not viewed as heretics but as schismatics from the Reformed faith.

Stapfer devotes the first two sections of each polemical chapter to the identification of the basic ideas of the heresy and, specifically, to the delineation of its proton pseudos or false fundamental, the “primary hypothesis” of the heresy against which he must direct the force of his argument. Thus, the false fundamental of the atheist is that there exists “no self-existent substance beyond the world that contains in itself the reason for the existence of this universe.”7<a href="#_ftn20" name="_ftnref20" title="">1</a> Similarly the false fundamental of the naturalists—Stapfer singles out Matthew Tindal and Anthony Collins—is their assumption that reason alone is sufficient for salvation or ultimate blessedness.7<a href="#_ftn21" name="_ftnref21" title="">2</a> Both of these fundamental errors operate to exclude the biblical foundation or principium of Christianity: those who hold them are infidels! When he turns to heretics, Stapfer recognizes, again, fundamental errors that mirror, like a “bad eminence,” the fundamental articles of the true faith. Thus, papists accept revelation and reason but hold as proton pseudos the supremacy of the pope which leads to the founding of doctrine on an infallible church rather than on the Lordship of Christ.7<a href="#_ftn22" name="_ftnref22" title="">3</a> The Pelagian proton pseudos, that fallen man can adequately obey the Law, stands over against the church’s insistence on the necessity of grace.7<a href="#_ftn23" name="_ftnref23" title="">4</a>

For Stapfer, the Greeks and the Lutherans represent the problem of errors around and beyond fundamentals; neither is to be classed as a heresy. The Greeks deny the doctrine of the procession of the Spirit from the Son as well as the Father, but they do not deny the doctrine of the Trinity. Stapfer here recognizes the historical problem of the insertion of the filioque into the creed, but relies on biblical warrants to justify the doctrine.7<a href="#_ftn24" name="_ftnref24" title="">5</a> The Lutherans deny the language of double predestination but nonetheless affirm that salvation occurs by grace alone. Stapfer sees, in the first case, a danger of weakening the doctrine of the Trinity; in the second, a danger of falling into the Arminian error of losing the doctrine of salvation by grace alone.7<a href="#_ftn25" name="_ftnref25" title="">6</a>





52 See above, 7.1.
53 Cf. Turretin, Inst. theol., I.xiv.8; with ibid., II.xiii.14; Voetius, De articulis et erroribus fundamentalibus, in Sel. Disp., II, pp. 514–515.
54 Voetius, De articulis et erroribus fundamentalibus, in Sel. Disp., II, p. 517.
55 Voetius, De articulis et erroribus fundamentalibus, in Sel. Disp., II, pp. 517–524.
56 Voetius, De articulis et erroribus fundamentalibus, in Sel. Disp., II, pp. 525–526.
57 Marckius, Compendium, III.ix.
58 Cf. Turretin, Inst. theol., I.xiv.8 with Baier-Walter, Compendium, I, pp. 49–68.
59 Witsius, Exercitationes, II.vi,xi.
60 Cf. Turretin, Inst. theol., I.xiv.8, 10; with Rijssen, Summa, I.xii–xiii.
61 Stapfer, Inst. theol., I.36–38.
62 C. R. [Richard Smith?], Of the Distinction of Fundamental and Not Fundamental Points of Faith (N.p.: s.n., 1645), pp. 37–38, 175–181, 190–191.
63 C. R., Distinction of Fundamental and Not Fundamental Points, pp. 201–209, 216–221; cf. William Chillingworth, The Religion of Protestants a safe way to salvation (Oxford: Leonard Lichfield, 1638), III.1–4, chapter and answer.
64 Jean Daillé, De usu patrum (1636); in translation as A Treatise of the Right Use of the Fathers in the Decision of Controversies Existing at this Day in Religion, 2nd. ed., trans. T. Smith, ed., with a preface by G. Jekyll (London: Henry Bohn, 1843), p. xvi.
65 Calvin, Reply to Sadolet, in Selected Works, I, pp. 35, 37.
66 Daillé, A Treatise of the Right Use of the Fathers, p. xvii.
67 Daillé, A Treatise of the Right Use of the Fathers, p. xviii.
68 Daillé, A Treatise of the Right Use of the Fathers, pp. xix–xx; cf. the discussion of Daillé’s views on the authority of patristic tradition in PRRD, II, 5.5 (A.2).
69 Rijssen, Summa, I.xiii; cf. Turretin, Inst. theol., I.xiv.9.
70 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, V.xx.
71 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, II.vi, §8.
72 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, II.x, §6.
73 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, IV.xiv, §6.
74 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, IV.xvi, §6.
75 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, V.xix, §38–45; and cf. the discussion of the filioque in PRRD, IV, 7.4 (A.2).
76 Stapfer, Inst. theol. elencticae, V.xx, §80–82.
 
So what are the implications of heresy? Damnation? Ecclesiastical separation? Political persecution? Merely being called a heretic?
Also, do we really think Paul and Titus had "someone who denies the doctrines of four yet-to-be councils" when Paul wrote "one who stirs up division"?
Heresy means you are in the category of unbeliever. It is worthy of church discipline. Titus 3:10 calls him a "αἱρετικὸν ἄνθρωπον" heretical man. Heresy literally means to "divide off" which is why it's translated as "stir up division." In the literal sense, a heretic divides off from the orthodox church.

And, yes, I think in essence Paul would have included as orthodoxy the truths of the four councils, though of course the language did not develop until then. There was a faith once for all delivered, a pattern of sound words, trustworthy sayings that needed to be accepted. I encourage reading Trueman's Crisis of Confidence / Creedal Imperative. The truth of the Triune God & Christ is in the rule of faith in a nutshell, but as doctrines get clarified, the boundary lines become more clearly drawn. In other words, in 325 a Christian should not believe that the 2 natures of Christ were mixed, but he might not be able to articulate that very clearly. After 451, if he is incorrigibly going around saying Christ's 2 natures are mixed, there is a big problem.
All three, actually.
Interpersonally and within a church, the question is, are they just confused or are they doggedly entrenched in their heresy? Are they open to learning? Ecclesiastically, that is a matter for the church leaders. If someone is a fellow member in your church, you treat them as members until the church declares otherwise.
 
Van Mastricht:
No, for then we would have to say that all of the fathers beforehand who held to ex patre mono were heretics, and that is a high price to pay. Failure on the Filioque does threaten the unity of salvation, but it does not threaten the full deity of the persons or the unity of the essence. If someone says otherwise, then he needs to make a case and it isn't easy.

Miaphysitism is a bit trickier. Crude Eutychianism is obviously out of bonds, but when you read Severus of Antioch, you don't see him saying what Eutyches said.
Here is more from Rutherford that may be of some help in answering some of your proposed questions:



Concerning the Greek's denying the filioque, I find Edward Leigh's comment helpful:
Oh ok, sorry I get it now. The first two because they divide Christian from non-Christian are that serious. The Filloque is serious enough to divide Christianity roughly in half. The second to last divides Reformation confessional traditions. The last one divides confessional from non-confessional traditions.
I know it seems like I'm being a smart aleck but I'm not. History is the only way to determine how serious the issues are. The first two are of such a serious nature to divide as I said and so on and so forth. The level of division and types of people being divided tell us how serious the doctrine is.
Personally I've never studied the Filloque issue in detail but I maintain that it's serious enough to divide Christianity the way it did, so it must be serious.
It took me a little bit to remember where I had read a discussion about this topic.

This is from Muller's PRRD1:

I opened a seperate thread that touched on some of these issues, to avoid derailing my own thread, in which I ask "How to View the Christian East Between 780-2025".
 
I opened a seperate thread that touched on some of these issues, to avoid derailing my own thread, in which I ask "How to View the Christian East Between 780-2025".
The discussion on that thread was/is very productive both in how to view the East, but also in interesting historical tidbits and a better understanding of what the EO actually believe and why it is wrong.
I now opened a third one, "Monophysitism, Miaphysitism, Nestorianism, and Oriental Church History", to specifically address the churches that seperated early on over christological questions, and especially the "Oriental Orthodox" (Copts, Armenians, Tawahedo Ethiopians)


Miaphysitism is a bit trickier. Crude Eutychianism is obviously out of bonds, but when you read Severus of Antioch, you don't see him saying what Eutyches said.
On a popular level, Philip Jenkins's The Jesus Wars. On a more academic level, Pauline Allen's Severus of Antioch. Here are my notes on it.

Key point: in Christ after the union there is difference but not duality.

Severus is operating with the older Athanasian view that physis = hypostasis, existent reality. Because there cannot be “two existent Jesuses,” there can only be one hypostasis in Jesus. His opponents, by contrast, are working with a newer, post-Basil the Great, understanding of hypostasis and ousia.
I'll try this a third way. If you think that a Lutheran's doctrinal problem is the same as a miaphysite than you're treating both errors the same but history has divided what the level and kind of division is appropriate for the doctrine.
 
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