Do you not believe that all doctrinal teaching from the Word of God is practical? I do.
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Do you not believe that all doctrinal teaching from the Word of God is practical? I do.
Andrew P.C.
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Is justicifcation practical?
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It is certainly practical in that it effectively brings about the purposes of God in the elect, and is not merely a theory. It transforms the lives of lowly sinners. Are you telling me that justification, the salvation of the elect, is not practical for us to know. I think that it is very practical to understand the grace of God in Justification in that it keeps us humble, and glorifies God.
Andrew P.C.
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this needs another thread brother.
BlackCalvinist
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Sooooooo......
Where's all the nice documentation on Beth Moore promoting stuff semi-word of faith-ish, hollarin' about prophecies she's had and other false teachings associated with her ?
They do exist. I've heard them. just waiting for someone to actually post them, since it looks like we've left the original topic.
Where's all the nice documentation on Beth Moore promoting stuff semi-word of faith-ish, hollarin' about prophecies she's had and other false teachings associated with her ?
They do exist. I've heard them. just waiting for someone to actually post them, since it looks like we've left the original topic.
kvanlaan
Puritan Board Doctor
Joseph, don't worry, I am not aligning you (or maligning you, as the case may be) with Finney or anyone else of that ilk. I just don't like the appeal to emotions or any other human feelings. Appeal to the soul *only* with the gospel *only* and let it rest at that. It reminds me of a Towzer quote (I think it was him, anyway): "I can see how much God you've got by how much entertainment you need."
With things as out of hand as they are in the "Christian" world today (re: Saddleback church's "He Reigns" production, among other things), I think a return to no-nonsense Puritanical evangelism is the way to go. But that's just me and my $.02.
With things as out of hand as they are in the "Christian" world today (re: Saddleback church's "He Reigns" production, among other things), I think a return to no-nonsense Puritanical evangelism is the way to go. But that's just me and my $.02.
I haven’t read her material – many Godly women I know have. I “googled” her name and found her website –http://www.lproof.org/about_beth_moore.asp
Her accomplishments seem consistent with a dependance on the Lord Jesus Christ however. And having read through this thread, I wonder that some posters might profit from her instruction?
Her accomplishments seem consistent with a dependance on the Lord Jesus Christ however. And having read through this thread, I wonder that some posters might profit from her instruction?
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Even Jesus wept...was He being overly emotionally because He shed tears? Or is it only the context in which men shed tears that make it different?
And I have known many men (some Christians, some not) who have made important decisions based on 'their feelings' at the time.
However, women can be more emotional based on the nurturing side God created us with, and it can be both a weakness and a strength.
My husband can look at things from what seems like a 'logical' perspective, and ignore the emotional aspect and how the decision made will effect everyone involved not only emotionally, but in general. I can look at the same situation, and see both his logical arguements and the good/bad of them, and see how they will effect everyone involved, whereas he only thinks in terms of the most logical outcome of a given situation, based on trying to use his own logic.
There have been times he has ignored the emotional context, and only looked at what he saw as the most logical conclusion, and made some really bad decisions. And to his credit, in most cases, he now looks at what I see and takes those things into consideration, and makes wiser decisions for the entire family.
God tells us "lean not on your own understanding" but many times even though things seem logical, and if this course of action seems most logical (in man's eyes), then it must be the most logical course of action to take...it's a given right...it seems logical, so therefore it is the most logical, so therefore we must go this direction...it doesn't matter what a womans (God given) emotions tell her...emotions are illogical and therefore should be ignored and not taken into consideration when making decisions.
Hmmm, sounds as if that goes against Scripture of the wife being a helpmate for the husband, and God's understanding of His creation of women, and it not being good for men to be alone.
It appears even God understands men can not always make the best decisions only looking at the logical side of an arguement, and he needed a helpmate to help him see a situation from all sides.
Even Jesus wept...was He being overly emotionally because He shed tears? Or is it only the context in which men shed tears that make it different?
And I have known many men (some Christians, some not) who have made important decisions based on 'their feelings' at the time.
However, women can be more emotional based on the nurturing side God created us with, and it can be both a weakness and a strength.
My husband can look at things from what seems like a 'logical' perspective, and ignore the emotional aspect and how the decision made will effect everyone involved not only emotionally, but in general. I can look at the same situation, and see both his logical arguements and the good/bad of them, and see how they will effect everyone involved, whereas he only thinks in terms of the most logical outcome of a given situation, based on trying to use his own logic.
There have been times he has ignored the emotional context, and only looked at what he saw as the most logical conclusion, and made some really bad decisions. And to his credit, in most cases, he now looks at what I see and takes those things into consideration, and makes wiser decisions for the entire family.
God tells us "lean not on your own understanding" but many times even though things seem logical, and if this course of action seems most logical (in man's eyes), then it must be the most logical course of action to take...it's a given right...it seems logical, so therefore it is the most logical, so therefore we must go this direction...it doesn't matter what a womans (God given) emotions tell her...emotions are illogical and therefore should be ignored and not taken into consideration when making decisions.
Hmmm, sounds as if that goes against Scripture of the wife being a helpmate for the husband, and God's understanding of His creation of women, and it not being good for men to be alone.
It appears even God understands men can not always make the best decisions only looking at the logical side of an arguement, and he needed a helpmate to help him see a situation from all sides.
She's popular in my area. I dated a girl who babbled a bit about her. From what I gathered, Moore seems to do more good than harm - but I'm not sure that's really a ringing endorsement.
I know she endorsed a book on contemplative spirituality that was attacked pretty hard a year ago or so. Part of me wonders, though, if that attack wasn't a bit over-the-top. I never actually read the book - it just seems as if some people are too willing to attack, just as others are too willing to tolerate anything and everything.
LadyFlynt, if you don't mind, could you expound a bit on the points you brought up? I'd really like to know more about Moore, and I respect your opinions. Further, it seems appropriate to hear about Moore from a woman.
(I hope that doesn't qualify as you (a woman) teaching men (me)....)
LadyFlynt
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Naw, I'm not sitting down holding a formal lecture in trying to teach you theology...
I have taken a couple of her studies, technically have 6-7 of her workbooks on my shelf. The two I actually did were Breaking Free (dealing with bondage of past and legalism) and John:Beloved Disciple. I really enjoyed the first as it was very timely for me. John I ended up quitting. She dragged what seemed to be the same stories from Breaking Free into John. Some of it I felt was unneccessary and did nothing more than appeal to the emotions. A couple of examples I can remember from her studies are her constant references to childhood sexual abuse (not all women have experienced that, so it became the beating of a dead horse after awhile), reading a certain passage of Song of Solomon and comparing it to Christ but in more visual ways that weren't the most appropriate, spending 15 minutes talking about power walking in the rain with a headset playing her favorite contemporary christian music and how she just felt Christ filling her and her stopping in the middle of the road, etc....
I'm fine with a bit of this...but in the videos it is constant. She is a sweet person. She may have some "good things" to say...but it just seems that she turns the men of the bible into your best girlfriend. I would need to sit and go through her workbooks separately and see how far she takes things in them separate from her videos. My biggest issue is her being a very public figure for women in contradiction with her teaching and preaching to men.
I have taken a couple of her studies, technically have 6-7 of her workbooks on my shelf. The two I actually did were Breaking Free (dealing with bondage of past and legalism) and John:Beloved Disciple. I really enjoyed the first as it was very timely for me. John I ended up quitting. She dragged what seemed to be the same stories from Breaking Free into John. Some of it I felt was unneccessary and did nothing more than appeal to the emotions. A couple of examples I can remember from her studies are her constant references to childhood sexual abuse (not all women have experienced that, so it became the beating of a dead horse after awhile), reading a certain passage of Song of Solomon and comparing it to Christ but in more visual ways that weren't the most appropriate, spending 15 minutes talking about power walking in the rain with a headset playing her favorite contemporary christian music and how she just felt Christ filling her and her stopping in the middle of the road, etc....
I'm fine with a bit of this...but in the videos it is constant. She is a sweet person. She may have some "good things" to say...but it just seems that she turns the men of the bible into your best girlfriend. I would need to sit and go through her workbooks separately and see how far she takes things in them separate from her videos. My biggest issue is her being a very public figure for women in contradiction with her teaching and preaching to men.
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