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This dividsion has long been in the making, centering on the issue of homosexual clergy.
Methodists Agree on Compromise to Split Denomination
Methodists Agree on Compromise to Split Denomination
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They will be sustained by female clergy and endowments for quite some time.Praise God for this division. I pray that the liberal remainder will fade away into oblivion, irrelevance, and God's judgment—or find, by his grace, repentance—for their blasphemies.
The terms of the divorce are not favorable to the “traditionalists” however. Individual churches may not vote to leave until 2024 and must have 57% of the congregation willing to leave.This dividsion has long been in the making, centering on the issue of homosexual clergy.
Methodists Agree on Compromise to Split Denomination
Now a bunch of, mostly American, UMC members have decided to give the UMC over to the liberals. Why should the "conservative" group be the ones to start a new denomination?
The orthodox among them generally left years ago.
One wonders how 'conservative' the 'conservative' Methodists are, though, knowing there is a great tolerance for biblical criticism, egalitarianism, etc. within the denomination and their divinity schools.
True enough. But I've found that some in that kind of situation will begin investigating their whole position anew and coming around to a more solid footing. That seems to have been the case with some who were formerly in the PCUSA who are now in the EPC, for example.
An excellent and encouraging thought - may the Lord make it so!
One wonders how 'conservative' the 'conservative' Methodists are, though, knowing there is a great tolerance for biblical criticism, egalitarianism, etc. within the denomination and their divinity schools.
Very true. It’s seems that conservative simply means drawing a line at accepting homosexual clergy. I have a friend who is an EPC pastor. I once told him that Baptists viewed the EPC as the PCUSA without gays. He didn’t seem thrilled by that description.
Very true. It’s seems that conservative simply means drawing a line at accepting homosexual clergy. I have a friend who is an EPC pastor. I once told him that Baptists viewed the EPC as the PCUSA without gays. He didn’t seem thrilled by that description.
In my experience, the EPC tends to be more orthodox than that and more orthodox than the average Baptist church. But it is my understanding that the presbyteries in this area are among the most conservative and that even before the influx of former PCUSA churches there were EPC churches that were much more broadly evangelical than Reformed.
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I once told him that Baptists viewed the EPC as the PCUSA without gays.
The only conservative 'Methodist' I've ever met is a former Nazarene pastor. I inquired about his former denomination and its history, which is interesting. He's good man, and I believe him to be a brother. I've also heard him speak against Reformed doctrine.
The larger problem is that Liberalism runs deep throughout the denomination. The orthodox among them generally left years ago. They will still be liberal after the separation. Even so,we ought to pray.
It is the sin issue for sure but I’ve been following this for several years through the IRD (Juicy Ecumenism). The liberalism so well described by Machen is predominate in their seminaries. The more orthodox are lay-pastors, who haven’t been infected by their seminaries. These are often bi-vocational men who are called later in life. They are generally much more faithful to biblical truth. They shepherd the many small rural UMC churches.As I understand it part of the reason for the splitting is to try and save the denomination from losing members. The UMC is losing members and shrinking as a denomination. I believe it is the squishy stance on sin that is killing the denomination.
It depends on the individual church. Many of the traditional churches do not agree with the UMC overall but are "stuck" due to the Trust Clause.One wonders how 'conservative' the 'conservative' Methodists are, though, knowing there is a great tolerance for biblical criticism, egalitarianism, etc. within the denomination and their divinity schools.
Isn’t there a window in which congregations can retain their property without penalty? The same for pensions?It depends on the individual church. Many of the traditional churches do not agree with the UMC overall but are "stuck" due to the Trust Clause.