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Would you mind fleshing that out a bit. Not sure I understand what you're saying.
I am sure everyone would agree that posting on secular boards boards on the sabbath are a break of the 4th commandment. Are Christian Message Boards breaking the Sabbath by allowing members to post on the Sabbath as well?
Thoughts?
Should the PB shut down for the day?
Should we just shut down the threads that are general?
The poll results.........I didn't vote btw.
Or 1, 2, 3, 5-10?Doug,
Does this mean we are no longer responsible to keep the 4th commandment?
Ok, I am going to step in and break the silent majorities silence and run the risk of ruffeling a few feathers in the process. What drew and continues to draw me to the Puritan Board is the seriousness that it's members take the Lord and His word. I was so sick of wishy-washy evangelism that I literally ran from the Church I was attending and was DONE shopping for another. I was that dejected.
I was so excited to find this place and all of you!
Now many of you are more learned than I am, many of you have studied theology for much longer, have many more books, degrees, and accolades than me as well. But I have to ask...
Where does personal conviction come into this? If after much scripture reading and prayer I still feel no conviction for posting here on Sunday's or watching the NFL on Sunday's, am I damned, stupid, not a good Christian, wrong, mislead, posessed, or all of the above?
I see some crying "legalism" toward Paul Washer sermons yet no one cries it in topics such as these.
I've always believed our human attempts to please God were futile and pointless no matter how much we could spiritualize them or back them with scripture.
It seems to me that some of you enjoy posting here on Sundays and on ocasion you may even ask someone about a non-spiritual situation..on a Sunday! Some of you are convicted by this and some are not. So what's wrong with those who are convicted by it no longer posting on Sunday and those who are not continuing on as is? Do I have to be restricted so to make someone elses temptation less burdomsome?
Are you convicted by the Spirit of God for posting here or by your desire to please God with your actions? There is a difference in my opinion and it's a fairly big one. I am reminded on the man who thanked God he wasn't like the tax collector...
The issue w/ Washer, from what I have heard, is that he almost places an unconventional emphasis upon a work that may seem to justify.
None the less, God has commanded it, hence, it is done.
I hear you. The board however comes under the RPCGA.
Both are important. One fuels the other.
If the Spirit were leading a brother, they would not need blocks on sports, cigars, etc on the Lord's day. Conscience would be keeping him from it.
No feathers ruffled here. I do want to take time to give a response to your post since you took the time to type it. I know that you post because you love the brethren.Ok, I am going to step in and break the silent majorities silence and run the risk of ruffeling a few feathers in the process.
What drew and continues to draw me to the Puritan Board is the seriousness that it's members take the Lord and His word...
I was so excited to find this place and all of you!
Where does personal conviction come into this? Refer back to page 1 my second post where I copy and pasted the WCF on Liberty of Conscience. Especially sections II. and III.Where does personal conviction come into this? If after much scripture reading and prayer I still feel no conviction for posting here on Sunday's or watching the NFL on Sunday's, am I damned, stupid, not a good Christian, wrong, mislead, posessed, or all of the above?
The sticky wicket that we're trying to ferret out is the balance between the two. We don't want to burden PB members with the doctrines and commandments of men but neither do we want to provide a stumbling block for anyone to practice sin and destroy Christian liberty.II. God alone is Lord of the conscience, and has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word; or beside it, if matters of faith, or worship. So that, to believe such doctrines, or to obey such commands, out of conscience, is to betray true liberty of conscience: and the requiring of an implicit faith, and an absolute and blind obedience, is to destroy liberty of conscience, and reason also.
III. They who, upon pretence of Christian liberty, do practice any sin, or cherish any lust, do thereby destroy the end of Christian liberty, which is, that being delivered out of the hands of our enemies, we might serve the Lord without fear, in holiness and righteousness before Him, all the days of our life.
I've tried my best to show that we should approach the 4th commandment positively calling it a delight, an easy burden, and also praising that Christ has kept the law on our behalf and we should seek to serve him out of gratitude.I see some crying "legalism" toward Paul Washer sermons yet no one cries it in topics such as these. I've always believed our human attempts to please God were futile and pointless no matter how much we could spiritualize them or back them with scripture.
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
It seems to me that some of you enjoy posting here on Sundays and on ocasion you may even ask someone about a non-spiritual situation..on a Sunday! Some of you are convicted by this and some are not. So what's wrong with those who are convicted by it no longer posting on Sunday and those who are not continuing on as is? Do I have to be restricted so to make someone elses temptation less burdomsome?
My actions will please God as about as much as a dunghill. Actually infinitely less so because the dunghill is doing its part as creation and stinking. I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Again, why is it restricting to desire oneself and other Christians around you to spend time worshipping and meditating on the Creator and savior of your very persons? All he asks is one day out of 7.Are you convicted by the Spirit of God for posting here or by your desire to please God with your actions? There is a difference in my opinion and it's a fairly big one. I am reminded on the man who thanked God he wasn't like the tax collector...
Like many, I didn't vote either because I don't think generally posting is wrong. That's why early on - the second post I brought up the distinction about idle words...Also, I hope I wasn't dominating the thread. I too, like you, was sharing the fruits of my studies and was trying to be encouraging and edifying by sharing scripture and the confession.Sorry if this upsets anyone. I feellike there may be many who feel this way (look at the poll results!) and simply aren't saying anything because the thread is dominated by those who are in the minority of the vote.
Totally up to the admins on that one but I think it would be inconsistent of them if they decide that it is wrong to then let others partake in it.Lastly, if it ever comes down to mods being "hindered" on the sabbath then allow me to stand up and say I'll mod on Sunday's with no problem at all.
AMEN!
But is this an absolute? Meaning if I watch sports or talk about sigars on a Sunday I am a weak Christian who is not lead by the Spirit? I don't believe that. I could be wrong and will admit to such if I ever come to that conclusion, but as of today the Lord, His word, and my prayers do not lead me to that conviction at all.
I think that idea of a banner with an admonition to honor the Sabbath is the least we could do.
Considering that (1) it is most voters' opinion that posting on PB is not a violation of the Fourth Commandment, and (2) the widely varying opinions as to what does constitute such a violation, I agree with Augusta: (1) just leave the board alone, just as it is, (2) possibly post a banner reminding folks of edifying talk on the day, then (3) just leave it up to individual Christians to decide for themselves, in the light of Christian liberty, whether they should participate or not.
Doug,
Does this mean we are no longer responsible to keep the 4th commandment?
Gal 3:10-1810For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."[a] 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Gal 5:1818But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Hebrews 8:13In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 10:1616"This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"
Well, I'm thinking in a strict sense yes. Now I very well could be wrong, happens sometimes.
I get it from St. Paul:
Gal 3:10-18
Gal 5:18
Hebrews 8:13
and also that law wasn't ours, but Israel's. God's law is written on our hearts and minds now:
Hebrews 10:16
Is sabbath made for men or men made for the sabbath
Of course I could be wrong.
Well, I'm thinking in a strict sense yes. Now I very well could be wrong, happens sometimes.
I get it from St. Paul:
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse
for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."[a] 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
.In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away
and also that law wasn't ours, but Israel's.
God's law is written on our hearts and minds now:
16"This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"